donderdag 4 juni 2009

Kaarten Maps

De UB van de RUG heeft op haar website kaarten ondergebracht, waaronder die van de stad Groningen vanaf 1575. Op deze website ook de volledige print met tekst van het beleg, waarschijnlijk gemaakt in 1672.



The University Library has placed some maps on their website here. It includes maps of the City of Groningen, from 1575, and also a plate of the siege of 1672, but this time with the accompagning text, revealing 'who is who' on the map.
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  1. Gelkinghe4 juni 2009 om 22:58

    Met dank. Op een of andere wonderlijke manier is deze verzameling me tot nu toe ontgaan.

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  2. Anoniem5 juni 2009 om 14:31

    Great link. Thank you for posting it. I found an engraving of the Storming of Coevorden by Romeyn de Hooghe. It is virtually identical to the painting. It begs the question, which came first? My inclination is to go with the de Hooghe engraving with Wouwerman's painting based on it. The question is when was the engraving made. It had to be before Wouwerman's death in 1682. The date is somewhat critical if one is to date the flags with the Arms of Groningen. I have some doubt that flags with the Arms were carried in 1672. To the best of my knowledge, flags with provincial arms in the upper, inner corner did not begin to appear until 1674. I do not believe that de Hooghe was present at the actual event, so the engraving had to be based on information available when he made the engraving. Narrowing down the date, then would be helpful in determining the validity of the flags in the engraving and painting.

    Would you or any other reader know the composition of the garrison of Groningen in December 1672?

    Regards,

    Dan Schorr

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  3. Motorway5 juni 2009 om 19:13

    Dear Dan,

    The flags have caused some discussion with regards to my remarks on Wouwermans's painting in an earlier post. According to the esteemed mr Mats E. it's possible that some of the flags were of the city Militia, one other of Stad&Lande.

    I am researching the troops in garrison, but it takes a while.

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  4. Anoniem6 juni 2009 om 12:47

    Which one does Mats think is a Burgher Militia/Guard Colour? Both Simon De Vries "La Vie et les Actions De Monseigneur Christophle Bernard de Gale…". Cologne, 1679 and W.J. Knoop, "Krijgs- en Geschiedkundige Beschouwingen over Willem den Derde". Schiedam, 1895 mention burgher militia/guards and others joining the Dutch force.

    Also, I am a bit confused by your use of Stad en Lande. I know that it refers to Groningen, but to which particular regiment? Het Staatsche Leger Vol. VI does not refer to such a unit.

    Reference the garrison of Groningen. IR Königsmark was obviously part of the garrison as both Lieutenant Colnel Eybergen and Major Wylers came from that regiment. An interesting tidbit of information is that IR Königsmark might have been composed of Poles in Polish dress. Simon De Vries in his book, ". mentions that Poles, using their axes, cut off the silver lace from from the uniforms of some of the Münster troops. Also, a series of uniform plates by N. Robitschek covering the Dutch Army 1672-75 shows IR Königsmark in Polish dress. Jean Belaubre and Dr. de Wilde, however, are somewhat skeptical of the wearing of Polish dress.

    The other Major mentioned, Sickinghe, was a major or senior captain in Het Groningsche Regiment of Cavalry, also known as Prins Georg Frederik van Nassau-Siegen’s Regiment.

    Apparently, Sickinghe was in charge of the mounted force, while Wylers commanded the infantry and Eybergen was in overall command.

    All very interesting stuff from my perspective. Since you are located near Groningen, the city and provincial archives should be accessible and provide some great information, at least potentially.

    Regards,

    Dan

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  5. Motorway6 juni 2009 om 14:51

    Dan,

    I have recieved an enlarged pic form the Rijksmuseum of the painting. It is quite good, but you can't pick out all the details.

    There's a yellow flag with the weapon of the city on the painting, it's a double-headed eagle, that could be a Militia flag. It is reported that all companies had to deliver troops for the attack on Coevorden, so a militia flag is a possibility.

    The Coevorden painting does show some Polish looking people, the ones in blue, left below.

    'Stad en Lande', is the name for the Province of Groningen. So...this could be Regiment Beyma (as Groningen paid for it), or Regiment Nassau Stad en Lande.

    Got my info from:
    http://www.milwiki.nl/dutchregiments/index.php?n=RepInf.IR595b

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  6. Anoniem6 juni 2009 om 15:26

    Would it be possible to send me a copy of the enlarged picture that you received from the Riksmuseum, assuming it is not the enlarged picture from their site that I already have?

    The Robitschek plates that I spoke of earlier, show Königsmark in cream-colored konutsz.

    Dan

    P.S. It would be nice to know your given name, if you are willing to provide it.

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  7. Motorway6 juni 2009 om 17:12

    Dan, can you send me a PM on the LOA forum?

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